Loaded freight wagons

[Die blaue Eminenz]

Hello,

just a question to the new loaded freight wagons.

Is this just an optical thing or have they also added the weight of the goods?

Personly i dont feel the weight of an 2500tons coal train in the game.

Thanks for helping me with this question.

 

[Gazz292]

From what i have read, yes they are weighted, but due to the timetables we are currently running being based on empty trains, the coal waggons are only loaded to ~30 tons each, otherwise the tracks would be clogged up with slow freights not able to keep to their timetables.

When the new timetables are released, then the loads can/will be increased, as they will take into account fully loaded trains taking much longer to get up to speed and brake etc. 

[Zulnex]

Thank you very much for the reply. I was wondering about the same thing as well.

[sf_giants15]

In my opinion you can feel the weight.

I was driving the et-25 with Container load and before the update i thought the brakes of this train where way to strong but now with those loads you really need those strong brakes 

[Fightdrug]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb sf_giants15:

In my opinion you can feel the weight.

I was driving the et-25 with Container load and before the update i thought the brakes of this train where way to strong but now with those loads you really need those strong brakes 

good possible they change that for empty waggons too

i was yesterday driving the dragon on that SP mission ( empty coal waggons back to the mine ) the breaks are way weaker as i remember 😮

[GHKtruc]

Oh yeah I've seen the weight change. E4 wheelslipping for days !! Brakes are optional on it too. If you need to brake you better brake and not just set "initial"

[RWag64]

1 hour ago, GHKtruc said:

Oh yeah I've seen the weight change. E4 wheelslipping for days !!

And now, we need a button for sanding.

[Fightdrug]

vor 25 Minuten schrieb RWag64:

And now, we need a button for sanding.

or sandbags for holding out of the window 🤔

[Deadlost]

The heaviest train at the moment is just under 1500tons.

Train lenght and weight estimates from what I have found in current timetable:

Freight trains:
TLE 113xxx EU07 + 16 424z (20t tie) + 12 412W (20t ballast) ~1200t / 505 meters 
TME 2433XX Dragon + 19 424Z Mixed loads 20t T-Beams/Pipeline/Gas Pipe and Concrete slabs
TCE 2450XX EU07 + 28 424z (empty) ~640t / 576 meters
TDE 4120XX EU07 + 18 424z Mixed loads 40-60t Sheet Metal, container, steel circle ~1340t/376meters
TME 4210XX Dragon + 21 424Z 30t container loads ~1140t / 440 meters
TME 4234XX EU07 + 18 412W 20t Ballast loads ~800t / 270 meters
TME 4240XX TRAXX + 28 412W 20t coal loads ~1200t / 412 meters
TDE 442037 TRAXX + 24 424Z Mixed loads 40t Tree trunk, container, wooden beam ~1440t / 480meters
TME 4440XX  EU07 + 24 412W 20t coal loads ~ 1040t / 353 meters
TLE 4470XX Dragon + 424z empty flatbeds ~760t / 589 meters
TME 6440XX TRAXX + 28 412W 30t coal loads ~1484t / 412 meters
LTE 2422xx TRAXX single 84t / 19m 😄
LTE TRAXX + 11 Z2 ~590t / 310 meters (pax train positioning run)

Passenger:
TLK 161xx EP07 + 7 11xa  ~346t / 190m 
EC 411xx EP07 + 7 Z2 ~402t / 198m
TLK 241xx EP07 + 3 11xa  ~194t / 91 meters
TLK 421xx EP07 + 3 11xa  ~194t / 91 meters
TLK 4217x EP07 + 5 Z2 ~ 310t / 146 meters



EN76 (4car unit) ~135t / 75meters
EN76 (2 car unit) ~ 83t / 43 meters
ED250 ~414t / 187 meters

(Pax trains are empty weights, don't know if pax number affects the train weight)

Probably missed some trains 🙂 

 

Edited May 20, 2023 by Deadlost
outdated train list

[Die blaue Eminenz]

vor 7 Stunden schrieb GHKtruc:

Oh yeah I've seen the weight change. E4 wheelslipping for days !! Brakes are optional on it too. If you need to brake you better brake and not just set "initial"

I also sometimes had slippering wheels with the 7wagon EC, not since this update, its was implemented in the march update.

[Deadlost]

Added the new trains to the list. 
 

[sf_giants15]

The new 4120XX  feels so heavy. The route after Wshodnia is mainly up hill and it takes ages to get this train over 50Kph. My new favorite train😃

[iPanuzzo]

A bit of offtopic, a bit not. In my opinion something is wrong with physics anyway. IRL driving the downhill requires trains to be under power to maintain speed, except for some mad grade values. In game, you may go 15km in neutral/applying brakes because the train always speeds up a bit. If it was IRL, PKP would have already sent some trains into space, because of their ability to maintain and increase speed with no reason.

[giBBer8]

I think there's something wrong with your physics or something has gone wrong in translation....?

Edited April 20, 2023 by giBBer8

[Deadlost]

Physics and drive "feel" is some of the aspects of the sim that I love. 
Speed increases with downhill and slows down on uphill as I expect. The momentum in trains has not been an issue for me at least. The weight of the cargo is also something that is very noticable when you have 1000t+ trains. Getting up to speed on an incline from red lights are fun 🙂 

Especially the EU07/08 has been surprisingly fun to master and the Traxx is also a go-to train with the loaded freight trains🤩

Only train I have  physics issues with, are the very strong brakes on the ET25 Dragon, tap once on the brake, and it will brake like emergency in other trains, but it could be realistic, I'm not qualified 🙂 

I did not think in november that I would be driving 7000 km virtually in Poland  jan-april 😄  (and using about the same amount of time doing stuff in Blender waiting for sdk ) 

Edited April 20, 2023 by Deadlost

[giBBer8]

The latest patch has brought new freight services and loco variants and I have to say that the brakes are releasing way too quickly on freight.

The feeling of momentum is pretty good, but the brakes should be binding on the wagons (progressively releasing from front to rear) far slower than currently, perhaps up to 45 to 50 seconds from full release in the cab. This is regardless of the brake timing set in the loco. The loaded wagons should all have goods timings set in the distributors. If the Polish railways use triple valves, then it should be similar, but with the ability to 'throw away the air' with fanning the brake.

This is my opinion of course, what do you all feel?

 

Edited May 17, 2023 by giBBer8
triple valves

[Schyrsivochter]

Nah, triple valves are virtually extinct in Europe. The graduated-release Hik distributor is ~90 years old, and its successor KE was invented in 1953 and became the UIC standard not long afterwards.

Re: goods timings: I’ve noticed that some trains have at least the locomotive running with brake setting (brake mode? what’s the English term?) G. Not sure about the cars, though.

[giBBer8]

We still use triple valves but that's no matter, some Euro stuff came across the Channel in the 90s too which had them. 

I noticed the empty coal hoppers EU07 loco is set to Pass timings, but as I say, the freight really seems way too fast to release in general.

[Zulnex]

7 hours ago, giBBer8 said:

We still use triple valves but that's no matter, some Euro stuff came across the Channel in the 90s too which had them. 

I noticed the empty coal hoppers EU07 loco is set to Pass timings, but as I say, the freight really seems way too fast to release in general.

I agree - it definitely does not feel right and releases too fast.

[sf_giants15]

Am 10.4.2023 um 15:55 schrieb Deadlost:

The heaviest train at the moment is just under 1500tons.

Train lenght and weight estimates from what I have found in current timetable:

Freight trains:
TLE 113xxx EU07 + 16 424z (20t tie) + 12 412W (20t ballast) ~1200t / 505 meters 
TME 2433XX Dragon + 19 424Z Mixed loads 20t T-Beams/Pipeline/Gas Pipe and Concrete slabs
TCE 2450XX EU07 + 28 424z (empty) ~640t / 576 meters
TDE 4120XX EU07 + 18 424z Mixed loads 40-60t Sheet Metal, container, steel circle ~1340t/376meters
TME 4210XX Dragon + 21 424Z 30t container loads ~1140t / 440 meters
TME 4234XX EU07 + 18 412W 20t Ballast loads ~800t / 270 meters
TME 4240XX TRAXX + 28 412W 20t coal loads ~1200t / 412 meters
TDE 442037 TRAXX + 24 424Z Mixed loads 40t Tree trunk, container, wooden beam ~1440t / 480meters
TME 4440XX  EU07 + 24 412W 20t coal loads ~ 1040t / 353 meters
TLE 4470XX Dragon + 424z empty flatbeds ~760t / 589 meters
TME 6440XX TRAXX + 28 412W 30t coal loads ~1484t / 412 meters
LTE 2422xx TRAXX single 84t / 19m 😄
LTE TRAXX + 11 Z2 ~590t / 310 meters (pax train positioning run)

Passenger:
TLK 161xx EP07 + 7 11xa  ~346t / 190m 
EC 411xx EP07 + 7 Z2 ~402t / 198m
TLK 241xx EP07 + 3 11xa  ~194t / 91 meters
TLK 421xx EP07 + 3 11xa  ~194t / 91 meters
TLK 4217x EP07 + 5 Z2 ~ 310t / 146 meters



EN76 (4car unit) ~135t / 75meters
EN76 (2 car unit) ~ 83t / 43 meters
ED250 ~414t / 187 meters

(Pax trains are empty weights, don't know if pax number affects the train weight)

Probably missed some trains 🙂 

 

An update would be nice 😂

[Deadlost]

 

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