Feedback on the timetable

[jokka83]

Hi.

I figure these aren't bugs, so it fits here.
I realize that the devs can't really make small adjustments to the timetable without creating conflicts elsewhere. However, some of these issues creates consistent problems that probably should be dealt with.

At WP I see 16xx usually creates conflict/delay for 61xxx and then 61xxx create delay for 412xxx. I usually let 16xx wait until 61xxx has passed. I think that is ok to do since it is the end of the route for 16xx in the game. A PT/PH for 16xx would easily solve this problem.
61xxx is booked for track 5 platform 2. This often create conflict with 54xxx. I think it works better to let 61xxx use track 4. He also have an exit at 100km/h that way. 61xxx and 132xxx might be in conflict with eachother this way, but overall I feel it works better.

 

[CoraVanLincolnius]

personally i wanna add that 611xx is timed way too tight into Opoczno Pulodny, If its just ONE minute late it will already delay the EuroCity. (611 leaves :44 EC pulls in :45, leaves zero room for a late 611 if EC is on time (which is very likely when 16XX isnt running that hour)

[Omni]

I agree just some small ajustments could create problems elswhere. I would propose a complete overhaul of the new timetable. In my opinion the new timetable has cut far too many trains, and it -sadly- is a downgrade from the previous version.

The last update brought improvements to signal boxes by combining some very simple ones, which is great. But I also looked forward to a bit more challenging events like shunting, or a big signal box like Krakow Glowny. Sadly when I played my favorite Zabkowice again I noticed nothing really happened anymore. The station just sits empty most of the time. Less trains means less (almost)conflicts to solve. The notoriously late 146xxx which was one of the trains I looked forward to, is no more. I just felt bored, while in the previous timetable you were always on alert. And after all, you should be in a level 5 signal box! And ofcourse this cut in the timetable affects all of the main route between Katowice and Warzawa. I just can't hide my disappointment.

I certainly hope the Lodz DLC will bring a better timetable for all of the existing routes...

Edited December 30, 2024 by Omni

[jokka83]

Yes, there are small margins here.

There are not possible to get 53xxx departure at time at GM(unless you want to delay the passing 54xxx. The timetable is just wrong. 

Also, 35xxx is consistently delayed and misses its slot before 45xxx at Psary,

Edited December 31, 2024 by jokka83
Edited some details about consistency in delays

[jokka83]

AI at Psary seems to prefer holding 132xxx on the mainline at track 1. In a perfect world this isn't really a big problem, but trains are often delayed, so having him wait at the mainline can create a mess and delays

[jokka83]

I think it would be better if 3xxx was booked before 4xxx at Psary. I think it is more important now than before since 4xxx an ekstra stop

[jokka83]

On the positive side, I must say that most things are running smoothly on the CMK. 

[jokka83]

What do you guys think about having 4xxx booked ahead of 3xxx at Psary? I've always thought that isn't right, since 4xxx is slower than 3xxx due to its stop at WP. Now with the extra stop at OP for 41xx, I feel it is more of a problem.

Since 4xxx is coming through Psary at max speed, I figure it requires more of a buffer between the two

Edit: I just realized that I wrote the same thing 2 posts ago...

Edited January 18, 2025 by jokka83

[jokka83]

Feedback after the 13.03.25 update.

4121xx is often early and out of stack with 4120xx at WP. This creates a situation where holding 4121xx to its PT is not reasonable. Sending 4121xx early is not a good option since it will likely create a mess further up the line, and holding him can create a mess at WP. It is not intuitive to hold 4121xx and let 4120xx pass.

I've also noticed that AI at Olsza is not always holding 4120xx, creating delay for 41xx 31xx.

Also, issues I mentioned above is still present. I think it would be better to solve those issues before adding new trains to the CMK.

[Królik Uszasty]

W dniu 31.12.2024 o 01:07, jokka83 napisał(a):

There are not possible to get 53xxx departure at time at GM(unless you want to delay the passing 54xxx. The timetable is just wrong. 

Whis should be no longer an issue after 13.03 patch?

 

56 minut temu, jokka83 napisał(a):

I think it would be better to solve those issues before adding new trains to the CMK.

Generally speaking there is no room for new trains, maybe one per hour or per two hours in the middle section. Especially when you take into account the long distances between stations about 30 kilometers, which cause that there are few possibilities to overtake.

[jokka83]

42 minutes ago, Królik Uszasty said:

Whis should be no longer an issue after 13.03 patch?

I haven't driven it yet, but 53xxx is still consistently delayed.

42 minutes ago, Królik Uszasty said:

Generally speaking there is no room for new trains, maybe one per hour or per two hours in the middle section. Especially when you take into account the long distances between stations about 30 kilometers, which cause that there are few possibilities to overtake.

I recognize the more realistic approach it is after the EA exit. I like that idea. But I'm not sure if it translates that well in this simulator. Driving a train without any reasonable way to catch up a small delay(delays are more or less a given), isn't a good gameplay mechanic. I would also say the same thing about being a dispatcher. If I will create a delay no matter what I do, it is not so fun to try to figure things out.

Edited March 15, 2025 by jokka83
Cut a sentence to avoid confusion

[Gazz292]

i actually like that SimRail is doing things more realistically, 

before the timetable overhaul it was hard to not arrive 20+ minutes early at some stops on the 141xx / 411xx services, 
Now it's more like real life, you have a tight timetable and once you start to lose time it's hard to make it up, as you begin to lose your time slots along the line. 

I know in a 'game' people want to get maximum points and be on time every time they play, 
but treat SimRail as the simulator it is, as if you are driving a real train, delays happen all the time and it's just part of railway life when other peoples actions affect your trip.

To me this makes the simulator more exciting as you need to be constantly aware of what's going on around you and think ahead etc,
rather than figure out after a few drives that if you put the train on cruise control at xx km/h, you can sit back and watch the scenery go by and you will arrive spot on time, then watch the points / trophies accumulate,
then next day do the same until you are bored of everything repeating. 

[jokka83]

It's hard to disagree with what you're saying. As I said, I like the idea, I just don't think it fits well for the timetable that it is now. There is no winning. You can't arrive on-time. The timetable is just wrong. There is fundamental issues here that I think that should be fixed.

Personally, I do like some more slack in the timetable from a gameplay perspective on the long routes.

There should also be taken into consideration the effects it has on the overall traffic. Everthing is tightly connected, so if you have a fundamental fault from the start, it will translate to much more. I don't understand why it is not fixed

[Gazz292]

i guess this is where the idea of professional and general use servers pops up, 

Professional servers would be for those who want to 100% pretend they are a real train driver driving a realistic tight timetable and having to follow all the real life rules.

General use servers would have slacker timetables and less focus on rules and regulation adherence, 
 

[DazT]

I suggested the idea many times of a "PRO" server many times and got shot down in flames

[hoppturee-]

Competitive dispatching :D.

[jokka83]

On 3/20/2025 at 5:27 PM, Gazz292 said:

i guess this is where the idea of professional and general use servers pops up, 

Professional servers would be for those who want to 100% pretend they are a real train driver driving a realistic tight timetable and having to follow all the real life rules.

General use servers would have slacker timetables and less focus on rules and regulation adherence, 
 

I'm all for that. Also cutting off the map, and making the EDR more precise. And  fixing the fundamental issues with the timetable.

[jokka83]

regarding the timetable. I think the slot for 1320xx is a bit tight between 53xxx and 13xx from Psary.

[jokka83]

I don't think it would be possible with a PRO-server? Any player could join it? It would have to be some 3rd party thing ala vatsim for flightim.

[jokka83]

Any idea on when night services will be added? I've would be playing now if it would be available.

[jokka83]

35xxx seems still to be hard to get before 45xxx on-time at Psary

53xxx seems still to be constantly delayed

[jokka83]

191xx is still spawning an hour earlier than what the spawnlist says.

Still no room for 61xx in 4120xx timetable from WP. Sorry DazT.. 4xxx was running 5 minutes late, so it was easier to squeeze you between 61xx and 4xxx than 61xxx and 61xx.

[jokka83]

On 12/31/2024 at 1:07 AM, jokka83 said:

Also, 35xxx is consistently delayed and misses its slot before 45xxx at Psary,

This is still an issue. The timetable is wrong here.