EIP Katowice Warszawa subsidiary track due to malfunction

[E. Alderson]

Hello. I am trying to complete EIP Katowice Warszawa, but am unsuccessful.  I get to the point where I stop at a red light.  I radio dispatch, and they say I am to use track 2. They say something like "continue on to subsidiary track due to malfunction."  The light changes from red to red and flashing grey.  I watched someone else complete it on YT, and at that point they just continue driving forward past the signal.  When I try to do that, an emergency system engages the brakes.

 

I think I am missing something, or not understanding something.  What exactly should I do at this point when the light changes to red and flashing grey?

 

Thanks for your assistance.

[jeroezie]

Was ETCS active at that point? If yes, where you driving with SPH or in ERMTS levels 1 or 2?

[E. Alderson]

ETCS was active.  I'm not familiar with SPH, do you mean SHP?  SHP triggers I believe after passing the signal.  Not familiar with ERMTS.  I completed ETCS training scenario level 1.  I now see there is ETCS training scenario level 2, I have not completed.  I'm guessing that would cover this scenario I am failing at.

[jeroezie]

The Driver Machine Interface should indicate what level you are in, it should be either SPH (the normal level for Poland, you need to press the vigilance button before every signal) or any ETCS/ERTMS level, which should be Level 1 or 2. If you need to pass an signal at danger with an subsidiary signal lit (flashing white), I believe you need to activate the override first. I did not finish the ERTMS tutorial either so I am not 100% sure about how it works in Poland.

[E. Alderson]

I started doing the ETCS training scenario level 2, but it seems exactly the same as level 1...

I think I see what you mean. Activate Override EOA.

[GoppelPL]

That's correct, you need to activate the EOA override. The white blinking light is a supplimentary signal, meaning that in the interlock (and ETCS) logic the signal remains red, with the white light being on separately, allowing a train to pass the red.

[Friedjof]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb jeroezie:

The Driver Machine Interface should indicate what level you are in, it should be either SPH (the normal level for Poland, you need to press the vigilance button before every signal) or any ETCS/ERTMS level, which should be Level 1 or 2. If you need to pass an signal at danger with an subsidiary signal lit (flashing white), I believe you need to activate the override first. I did not finish the ERTMS tutorial either so I am not 100% sure about how it works in Poland.

You are realy using the wrong words for train control systems.
The standard train control system in Poland is called SHP. In every train you can drive in SimRail there is even a marker for indication of the SHP.
The other train control system is ETCS (European Train Control System) with its different levels and not ERTMS (European Rail Traffic Management System). As the name implies ERTMS is a management system where ETCS is one of many parts of.

[E. Alderson]

48 minutes ago, Friedjof said:

You are realy using the wrong words for train control systems.
The standard train control system in Poland is called SHP. In every train you can drive in SimRail there is even a marker for indication of the SHP.
The other train control system is ETCS (European Train Control System) with its different levels and not ERTMS (European Rail Traffic Management System). As the name implies ERTMS is a management system where ETCS is one of many parts of.

Thank you for clearing that up.

57 minutes ago, GoppelPL said:

That's correct, you need to activate the EOA override. The white blinking light is a supplimentary signal, meaning that in the interlock (and ETCS) logic the signal remains red, with the white light being on separately, allowing a train to pass the red.

Thanks so much GoppelPL!

[jeroezie]

2 hours ago, Friedjof said:

You are realy using the wrong words for train control systems.
The standard train control system in Poland is called SHP. In every train you can drive in SimRail there is even a marker for indication of the SHP.
The other train control system is ETCS (European Train Control System) with its different levels and not ERTMS (European Rail Traffic Management System). As the name implies ERTMS is a management system where ETCS is one of many parts of.

Rather silly of my to write SPH instead of SHP... 🤔

[E. Alderson]

I was able to complete the scenario.  I did the override, but it still triggered for some reason. But I was able to clear it and proceed.  I actually got the "On Time" achievement!

[Friedjof]

vor 7 Stunden schrieb E. Alderson:

I was able to complete the scenario.  I did the override, but it still triggered for some reason. But I was able to clear it and proceed.  I actually got the "On Time" achievement!

Did you exead the release speed before getting new parameters? (Releas speed is 20km/h in L2 and 40km/h in L1)
If you don´t you don´t wich speed is supervised you can press the following button to get them shown to you in the DMI.

When you have pressed this button the DMI while change to the following state:

But atleast in the ETCS tutorial i encountered the same problem as you. The moment i passed the signal showing SZ i got a speedrestriciton of 0km/h allthough override was active. After i got to a hold i´ve activated override again and could continue.

[E. Alderson]

2 hours ago, Friedjof said:

Did you exead the release speed before getting new parameters? (Releas speed is 20km/h in L2 and 40km/h in L1)
If you don´t you don´t wich speed is supervised you can press the following button to get them shown to you in the DMI.

When you have pressed this button the DMI while change to the following state:

But atleast in the ETCS tutorial i encountered the same problem as you. The moment i passed the signal showing SZ i got a speedrestriciton of 0km/h allthough override was active. After i got to a hold i´ve activated override again and could continue.

 

Yes! That is what happened.  Thanks for going over it, because I thought I went too fast but wasn't entirely sure.  Thanks for the post and the tips!