Can I use polish server even if I don‘t speak polish?

[robert-nieter]

Hi everybody,

I‘m completely new to this simulator and loving it so far, especially the multiplayer function, driving a long with real people.

In Multiplayer I saw that the Polish server PL2 is always the busiest one with the most action, which I would enjoy the most.
The Problem is that I can’t speak or write a single word in polish. Would this be a problem, especially with the dispatchers?

thanks for clearing this up for me! 🙂

 

[GoppelPL]

There is no rule prohibiting you from joining a server located in Poland, however be mindful about other players - as a dispatcher you're expected to inform neighboring stations about train departures (the premade messages are translated automatically), and as a driver you might sometimes want to respond to the dispatcher's calls. If you manage to communicate in English or translate each other's messages to respective language, you're welcome to join any server you like. If the situation goes out of your control, ie. you can't figure out how to undo an interlock deadlock, you always can just leave the server - the Virtual Dispatcher should work things out. Just don't create a situation, where other people's fun is spoiled because of your behavior, like not leaving the dispatching post despite it going very wrong, just because you like the station - it could be viewed as obstructing traffic on purpose.

[robert-nieter]

Thank you for your detailed and thoughtful reply. I will remember your advice. 

[Peter Griffin]

Yes, you can join as @GoppeIPL said I too play in the PL2 server, for text communication I see it via the google translate and reply it bak 🙂

[riccardo.gregori]

On 09/07/2024 at 17:01, GoppelPL said:

Non esiste una regola che ti proibisca di unirti a un server situato in Polonia, tuttavia fai attenzione agli altri giocatori: come dispatcher dovresti informare le stazioni vicine delle partenze dei treni (i messaggi predefiniti vengono tradotti automaticamente) e come macchinista potresti a volte voler rispondere alle chiamate del dispatcher. Se riesci a comunicare in inglese o a tradurre i messaggi degli altri nella rispettiva lingua, sei il benvenuto a unirti a qualsiasi server tu voglia. Se la situazione sfugge al tuo controllo, ad esempio non riesci a capire come annullare un deadlock di interblocco, puoi sempre semplicemente lasciare il server: il Virtual Dispatcher dovrebbe risolvere le cose. Non creare una situazione in cui il divertimento degli altri venga rovinato a causa del tuo comportamento, come non lasciare la postazione di dispatcher nonostante le cose vadano molto male, solo perché ti piace la stazione: potrebbe essere visto come un'ostruzione del traffico intenzionale.

Hi, this is unfortunately not true, I was banned because I spoke English (and I wasn't causing problems) now I can't play until August 1st and I'm very disappointed by this.

[Isambard Kingdom Brunel]

Don't speak then..............simples.

[moz]

On 7/30/2024 at 9:02 PM, riccardo.gregori said:

Hi, this is unfortunately not true, I was banned because I spoke English (and I wasn't causing problems) now I can't play until August 1st and I'm very disappointed by this.

 

Unfortunately it's true, and they ban you on all servers! ... ridiculous.
They banned me for a game error, I didn't even understand what mistake I made.
I remind those who manage these situations THAT IT'S A GAME!!!

 

[franky83]

I have played on Polish servers and others and have had no problems at all.

[moz]

1 hour ago, franky83 said:

I have played on Polish servers and others and have had no problems at all.

 

So far I haven't either, and I have 241 hours of play, but today the ban arrived for reasons I didn't understand, certainly not for incorrect behavior, maybe I did something wrong in the game but I repeat, it's a game. I didn't understand who decides, an automation? or a moderator?
☹️

 

[Blendzior]

3 hours ago, moz said:

They banned me for a game error, I didn't even understand what mistake I made. I remind those who manage these situations THAT IT'S A GAME!!!

The ban reason should be displayed when you try to enter the multiplayer mode.

I happened to met you on September 12th, you were dispatching on Grodzisk Mazowiecki in PL2. Sorry to say that, but it looked like you were setting the routes completely randomly, causing delays and unnecessary stops. People tried contacting you, in both Polish and English and you weren't responding, so they probably started reporting you.

1 hour ago, moz said:

it's a game

Of course it is, and every game has its rules you are expected to follow if you want to play it: https://store.steampowered.com/eula/1422130_eula_0?eulaLang=english.

[moz]

9 hours ago, Blendzior said:

The ban reason should be displayed when you try to enter the multiplayer mode.

 

"wyprawienie 244041 wniepoprawnym kierunku co spowodowalo calkowite zablokowanie sosnowca kazimierz, ucieczka z miejsca"

 

How is this possible? ... normally when you set the wrong station it just won't let you do it, or am I wrong?

10 hours ago, Blendzior said:

Sorry to say that, but it looked like you were setting the routes completely randomly, causing delays and unnecessary stops

I don't rule out it happening, probably because I couldn't unblock the situation, certainly not intentionally to create problems and I challenge anyone to argue otherwise. When after a certain time I couldn't unlock it I always left the station

10 hours ago, Blendzior said:

Of course it is, and every game has its rules you are expected to follow if you want to play it: https://store.steampowered.com/eula/1422130_eula_0?eulaLang=english

I am quite certain that I have not violated any article of the regulation. If you are referring to this part "No spamming, excessive repetition of messages, or actions that may obstruct other players' enjoyment of the Game, particularly intentional disruption of railway traffic in the game, blocking communication channels, or actions inconsistent with the game's included tutorials on railway operations" here we are talking about intentionality (and this is not my case) and actions not consistent with the tutorials (very poor tutorials for non-experts). I would like to add that several users have violated the regulation against me with offensive language which I did not report (wrongly) in order not to get into unnecessary controversy.

 

I've been on Steam for almost 12 years with more than 100 games in my inventory and I assure you that an absurd situation like this has never happened to me.
I purchased this game on 01/17/2023, practically as soon as it was released (yes, it has been in "early access" for almost 2 years") paying 30 euros and I assure you that nowhere was it written that some of its features (for me the more interesting "dispatcher") were only usable in multiplayer, but above all that to use multiplayer you need to be a professional otherwise they will ban you, if I had known I would not have purchased.
This is the main point, you cannot expect anyone who buys a game to have certain characteristics of professionalism, for "professionals" it is necessary to make dedicated servers available with password-protected access, as happens in sim racing.

 

I will write to Steam explaining the problem, let's see what they think.
A proposal could consist of a warning in the game description such as "WARNING some features are only available in multiplayer for which specific skills are required to avoid being banned".

 

It's a shame because the game is very beautiful but unfortunately poorly managed.

 

 

 

 

 

[Blendzior]

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actions that may obstruct other players' enjoyment of the Game

I don't want to argue. Blocking a station is spoiling the fun for drivers, and you got banned for that. The ban was not about speaking English in PL2. That's it.

If you want to learn dispatching I encourage you to experiment on the EU3 server -- it's an unmoderated playground restarted every 4 hours.

[Fightdrug]

its allways like this people tell that they banned for no reason, but when you ask around 5 people can give you evidence for the ban and that guys are not even moderators xD

[moz]

6 minutes ago, Blendzior said:

The ban was not about speaking English in PL2

this is the only thing you are right about, I should have opened a new topic

 

15 minutes ago, Blendzior said:

Blocking a station is spoiling the fun for drivers, and you got banned for that.

MULTIPLAYER REGULATIONS at point 3.2 seems pretty clear to me, it says "intentional disruption of railway traffic in the game" and that's not my case, I didn't do anything intentional.

In any case I will report the situation to Steam, maybe I will not solve anything, I do not know, but it is a matter of fairness.
I will do my best to warn any new users of what can happen, of how these situations are handled.

[moz]

32 minutes ago, Fightdrug said:

its allways like this people tell that they banned for no reason, but when you ask around 5 people can give you evidence for the ban and that guys are not even moderators xD

I'm waiting for proof, phenomenon, otherwise it's just empty words.
I brought arguments not chatter

[Blendzior]

 

Let's summarize it: in a multiplayer game, a genuinely low skill level causing other players to start having negative experience, combined with ignoring any voice and text communication, is a legitimate reason for a ban, and will result in one eventually, as such behavior is indistinguishable from intentional trolling.

You can warn other people, but they most likely know that already.

 

[moz]

18 minutes ago, Blendzior said:

in a multiplayer game, a genuinely low skill level causing other players to start having negative experience, combined with ignoring any voice and text communication, is a legitimate reason for a ban

this is your point of view that is not written in the rules.

Why don't you answer me on the points I argued?

For example :

1. "wyprawienie 244041 wniepoprawnym kierunku co spowodowalo calkowite zablokowanie sosnowca kazimierz, ucieczka z miejsca" 

   How is this possible? ... normally when you set the wrong station it just won't let you do it, or am I wrong?

2. This is the main point, you cannot expect anyone who buys a game to have certain characteristics of professionalism, for "professionals" it is necessary to make dedicated servers available with password-protected access, as happens in sim racing.

[moz]

43 minutes ago, Blendzior said:

Let's summarize it: in a multiplayer game, a genuinely low skill level causing other players to start having negative experience, combined with ignoring any voice and text communication, is a legitimate reason for a ban, and will result in one eventually, as such behavior is indistinguishable from intentional trolling.

You can warn other people, but they most likely know that already.

I understand that you are biased, otherwise you would answer point by point what I wrote.
Wouldn't it seem logical to you "for you professionals who don't want to arrive at the next station with a 10 minute delay" to have dedicated servers with passwords like the rest of the online game world does? (for example sim racing but not only).

But I have to say that at least you are a person with good manners

[HarlockG]

I tried to play a bit in the Polish server - as train driver, just in case - Tried to ask to use the in-game menus so the messages would auto-translate. Apologized for not knowing Polish and stated that I am trying to learn.

Still got asked to leave. In a bit of a rough manner. And to avoid possible future complains I don't think I'll try to join again.

 

It is a bit disappointing because EN servers are kind of empty... And I feel like interacting with human players is better than with bots, even when using a 2nd language to communicate. (English isn't my native tongue either)

[Fightdrug]

vor 50 Minuten schrieb HarlockG:

I tried to play a bit in the Polish server - as train driver, just in case - Tried to ask to use the in-game menus so the messages would auto-translate. Apologized for not knowing Polish and stated that I am trying to learn.

Still got asked to leave. In a bit of a rough manner. And to avoid possible future complains I don't think I'll try to join again.

It is a bit disappointing because EN servers are kind of empty... And I feel like interacting with human players is better than with bots, even when using a 2nd language to communicate. (English isn't my native tongue either)

thats rude 😞 on the DE1 server most people are nicer 🙂

[Rokolell]

1 hour ago, Fightdrug said:

thats rude 😞 on the DE1 server most people are nicer 🙂

We have some "bUT ThiS is A gERman SErvER" people as well, but in general talking/writing in English is accepted. Just keep in mind that Events (closing tracks, etc. aren't allowed at all)

[Blendzior]

8 hours ago, moz said:

How is this possible? ... normally when you set the wrong station it just won't let you do it, or am I wrong?

Yes, that is possible. Easiest way to do it is to use the "sz" signal (red and flashing white aspect), that overrides every safety check.

4 hours ago, moz said:

This is the main point, you cannot expect anyone who buys a game to have certain characteristics of professionalism, for "professionals" it is necessary to make dedicated servers available with password-protected access, as happens in sim racing.

I don't answer because I simply don't know how to. My point was that the ban reason was obstructing the traffic. If that will make more sense, think about the EU3 server as beginner friendly, and all other as hardcore professionals, where people will call you the moment they see red when they shouldn't, no matter if it's PL2, EN1, DE1. Simrail is a simulator after all.

5 hours ago, moz said:

MULTIPLAYER REGULATIONS at point 3.2 seems pretty clear to me, it says "intentional disruption of railway traffic in the game" and that's not my case, I didn't do anything intentional.

That's only a part of a sentence, let me break it down:

No spamming, excessive repetition of messages, or actions that may obstruct other players' enjoyment of the Game, particularly:

1. intentional disruption of railway traffic in the game,
2. blocking communication channels, or
3. actions inconsistent with the game’s included tutorials on railway operations.

The thing you mentioned is only an example of more general term of "actions that may obstruct other players' enjoyment of the Game".

4 hours ago, moz said:

Why don't you answer me on the points I argued?

Because it's splitting hairs. To be honest I think you are overly focused on details and for me the case is dead simple.

[moz]

25 minutes ago, Blendzior said:

and for me the case is dead simple

 

And this is clear to me from the beginning.

I have a hard time understanding who you think you are to believe you have the truth in your pocket without taking any inspiration from legitimate and documented criticisms.
But never mind, with this way of doing things I think this game will have a short life and it's a shame because the idea is good, it seems to me that on the various servers the numbers are already decreasing, you will remain a small group of "super experts" until they close the servers because it is no longer convenient

 

[jokka83]

I've been playing a lot in PL2 since it is a very populated server and I haven't really had any problems besides some people remind me of it is a Polish server and that I can go to the English one. Besides that, 98% of the players don't mind it and are friendly. I do use Google Translate to translate messages so I can follow what is going on and reply if needed.

[Moooritz]

vor 18 Stunden schrieb moz:

"wyprawienie 244041 wniepoprawnym kierunku co spowodowalo calkowite zablokowanie sosnowca kazimierz, ucieczka z miejsca"

Looking from this reason the ban is okay. I am not into it but when you create a deadlock, maybe also with Sz and then leave the station, it seems like you are trolling. A moderator saw/noticed it and then banned you (for a short time).

I don't know why everyone wants to contact Steam. Rules are clear: "actions that may obstruct other players' enjoyment of the Game" and a deadlock or sending trains wrong is clearly an obstruction. And: last words are spoken by the moderators.

There are many servers, that is because everyone should have the opportunity to play signaller. When you notice you have not the necessary experience you could easily switch to another server.